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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:29 pm
I just enlisted in the air force and took my asvabs. I scored an 88, the test was easier than my g.e.d. test! Lol anyways i was looking at jobs and 3d034 caught my eye as well as a couple others. I'm curious how much i need to know about programming before taking the edpt test. Will they teach me everything in training? I understand the edpt test will be similar to an iq test - i have a rather high iq so i should score high. What will be on it exactly? I could learn c+++ and java right now but im lazy and would rather not unless i have to. Anyways, yeah, any responses would be much appreciated.


Also does anyone have any good info on 9S100 and 4C031 jobs? What they entail, availability in such positions and how hard it would be to get into one those fields?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:19 am
There are no programming questions on the EDTP test, it is a logic based test. There are several examples out there. No previous coding expereince is required to get into the 3D0X4 career field, but can't hurt. Currently in tech school you will be programming in .NET, but they take the approach that you have no previous expereince. After tech school, the language and job specific knowledge differs from base to base.

The 9S100 career field is a very small career field and is hard to get into.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:28 pm
also it's a good idea to become proficient in many languages to make yourself more useful.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:28 am
The EDPT is MOSTLY a pattern recognition test.

There are linguisitc comparisons, graphical patterns, numeric patterns, etc., so they try to vary it around the wheel as much as possible.

Of course, I took the EDPT back in 1985, so I assume it has undergone a re-wrte or two.

I can tell you after having spent more than 26 years working as a computer programmer for the USAF (both enlisted and civil service) that the EDPT really is a far better tool for evaluating likely performance as a programmer than any aspect of the ASVAB.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:15 am
Also, In My Experience, the USAF does a REALLY GOOD job of taking willing, eager, excited young people with no experience and teaching them enough (mostly through OJT at their first duty station) to be able to handle the normal tasks without any need for ACTIVE outside assitance. Tech school is supposed to teach you enough that when you get to your first duty station you understand how to learn to program with the tools and processes used at your first duty station. Tech school does not TRY to get you to the point that you are a productive programmer before you get to your first duty station.

Alos, IME, the USAF doesn't even TRY to teach these trained individuals the additional material they need to perform the more significant analysis and design issues that are supposed to be handled by the more senior members of the career field. If you want to be competent as a more senior programmer, you will have to seek out the knowledge/education for yourself.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:04 pm
9S100 is very hard to get into. You pretty much need a 99 AFQT and pass an interview to get it. The GED will hurt you on the interview since they'll ask questions like "can we depend on you to finish a task?" and you'll say "Yes" and they'll say "So what happened to high school?". Not impossible just going to be hard to get in.

Programming is easier to get into. I had no programming experience when I got in 9 years ago and I'm doing well. You will have to spend a lot of your own time trying to figure stuff out though because you're going to be put in a job and expected to know what you're doing or know where to go to get help. Our tech school just teaches basic programming/database/documenting logic. The real test again is knowing where to find help learning once you get in your first job. Google will be your best friend. Your first station will likely be Tinker, OK; Offut, NE; Scott, IL; or Maxwell, AL. Those are large programming hubs and they have training set up there. If you go to a smaller unit with a few programmers you're expected to just figure it out.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:48 pm
hustonj wrote:The EDPT is MOSTLY a pattern recognition test.

There are linguisitc comparisons, graphical patterns, numeric patterns, etc., so they try to vary it around the wheel as much as possible.

Of course, I took the EDPT back in 1985, so I assume it has undergone a re-wrte or two.

I can tell you after having spent more than 26 years working as a computer programmer for the USAF (both enlisted and civil service) that the EDPT really is a far better tool for evaluating likely performance as a programmer than any aspect of the ASVAB.


Funny you should mention that, I took the EDPT and got around an 80 on it and on the cover of the question book it said that it was printed in 1980 :p
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:13 pm
Jacob Booher wrote:
hustonj wrote:Funny you should mention that, I took the EDPT and got around an 80 on it and on the cover of the question book it said that it was printed in 1980 :p


Yea, I took mine in 2008 and I think mine was printed in the late 70s.

I like my job a lot, but there's some distinct downsides that should be mentioned. One, there's a chance you'll end up in an office that has no work and thus you'll accumulate no real experience. Two, 75% of programmers go to Gunter annex Maxwell AFB, which is a pretty awful place to be; there's only 7 bases 3 levels can go to last I checked and the best place is pretty much Lackland in my opinion. Third, it's very hard to get moved. There's not a lot of slots for us anywhere and even less good ones. Of the 20 I could pick for my first term BoP, only 4 (5 before our Vandenburg slots were closed) were really any decent. The chances of you going overseas is miniscule short of being deployed as an escort or other undesirable position (we rarely deploy, but when we do it's not for our job).

88 on the asvab isn't that great for this career field. The lowest I personally know of was 92 (I'm sure there's lower I just don't go around asking everyone). My MAGE breakdown was 98 99 98 99 : p It's harder to get staff in this career field than it is to get master in some others; we tend to test well. You only need a 60 something general if I remember right so don't let that bother you.

As others said the edpt is 80% pattern recognition of various types. The other 20% is word problems with really inconvenient math so I'm recommend skipping those for last unless you're a good human calculator. I still passed just answering everything, but I could have done much better if I skipped them.

Knowing some about languages (any is good but c# would apply the most) will make tech school much easier. I had my CS degree (mostly java experience) going in so I didn't really need to do anything to pass, but I did help the others there quite a bit.

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